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Post by putterrr on Mar 28, 2009 11:30:23 GMT -5
This one is simple. We all complain about assisted hole outs. We don't like to win or lose because of them. The current thinking is "Let's hope they get rid of them for TW10". Well we have no control over that but we do have the ability right now to remove them and just play golf.
Many a competitive match is marred by game interference. Some stuff we can't control and some we can. I have also heard from higher ranked players that feel AHO going to the better player makes it impossible to compete.
I don't think it will make any difference to a persons overall record, I have won matches that I shouldn't have and lost when I played better than my opponent. It all evens out, but by removing AHO's, each match will be decided on the links.
Yesterday, 4 of us played an irons only match without AHO's and I for one did not notice any difference. I thought the game was very competitive and the comments in chat were very positive. I encourage everyone to give it a try and see for themselves. Its simple to do. Just go into game setup and select AHO - OFF before going on-line. You don't have to save the setting. Your change will apply to your current Wii session only.
OK lets hear from you. It might not be too late to influence the new WiiGA season. I encourage you to post comments and let the new administration know your thoughts one way or the other.
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Post by tazz53 on Mar 28, 2009 11:52:01 GMT -5
I agree, win or lose on ability. Not AHO's. We don't get them in real life and I've yet to see a professional golfer get one. On the "iron only" maybe next season we can have 1 tourny that is just that, "irons only". Hope so I enjoy it and the challange of thinking your shots out and planning your game IS golf.
Tazz
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Post by NoChinDeluxe on Mar 28, 2009 12:36:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to vote on this, but I will give my thoughts. First of all, we have had plenty of reports of balls still going in the hole with AHO behavior, even though AHO is turned off in the settings. In other words, we're not sure that turning them off in your settings actually removes them completely from online play. Secondly, while we've considered this, we're also trying to keep the game settings as simple as possible, i.e. without having to change them around. So let's see where the poll goes, and we'll go from there.
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Post by TheStick44 on Mar 28, 2009 13:05:05 GMT -5
My vote is to remove/turn it off.
I do believe you can still HO without the assistance from the computer/game. Maybe not as often, but I think if you place the ball in the right spot with the right conditions, it can go in the hole.
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Post by neil29679 on Mar 28, 2009 13:35:31 GMT -5
anyone who has spoken with me in chat will know my feelings on this subject. i am lucky if i get 1 in 10 games. i have never had a hole in one online and ive played about 400 games. i see players who cant break par get them and i see the top few players here get them. even when the game adjusts your % and shot line severely to the point you know its going in if you dont touch the spin, they dont go in for me either and i dont know anyone else who has this issue. although i still concede that without ahos id still be a shot or two away from the best players i do think i could be a lot closer without ahos. i always feel i am at some kind of disadvantage. i know many who read this might think well he just isnt accurate enough with his approaches. however im sure a few of the guys i play with regularly would dissagree.
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Post by dude1956 on Mar 28, 2009 16:51:50 GMT -5
I too would like to see the AHO's taken out of the game. I played 2 rds at Wolf Creek today. The 1st rd was riddled with AHO's with 4 of us playing while the 2nd game alone with Putterrr had none. My score was worse, but it was because I made mistakes. I would much rather have an honest score that is higher than one that has been enhanced by the game.
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Post by TheJokker on Mar 28, 2009 22:07:16 GMT -5
I agree with Chin, Mine have always been off, but still puts em in now and then, 'Golf Fairy Help' as I call it, surprises the heck out of me sometimes when I am just tryin to land on the green, not even tryin to hole out.
Besides, can you tell if someone has settings wrong when you play em? putt preview, advanced swing, etc.?
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Post by TheJokker on Mar 29, 2009 15:54:08 GMT -5
OK Buddah, have a question for ya.
With that Dangerfield bag you have, do those high tech clubs give you any AHO's in real golf? Obviously the radar putter helps on the greens.
I took my remote controlled car apart, tryin to figure out how to get the parts into my golf ball now. Probably use the controller as a belt buckle.
Watched Caddyshack again last night, what a classic. Everyone should watch that one again.
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Post by ian1983 on Mar 29, 2009 17:31:11 GMT -5
off, even if a random computer assist does come in to play with AHO off (from nochin's comment), its not the same as a normal computer assist happening 4-5 times on 18 holes.
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Post by Buddah on Mar 30, 2009 9:31:01 GMT -5
OK Buddah, have a question for ya. With that Dangerfield bag you have, do those high tech clubs give you any AHO's in real golf? Obviously the radar putter helps on the greens. Depends on how many beers we have out of the keg... Gets like that old Mic commercial, when we start giving eachother the shot and as the day progresses the shots are further from the hole I know that when we did the NC tourneys that I still got AHO's, sometimes so many that I had to look at my settings just to make sure that I set them correct or that they hadn't changed somehow. I still had D.Eagles, and Hole-in-ones even with AHO turned off.
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Post by putterrr on Mar 30, 2009 10:07:01 GMT -5
I have been challenging members to games with no AHO over the last couple days and the count is up to 12 players rounds. In those matches I have seen only 2 that we would have counted as AHO. One ace and a short one from the edge. The ace by clay had a bit of spin added so I don't think this would count. The fact that there were not more hole outs is unusual from what normally happens.
Also last night I played thestick an 18 hole official round and AHO were again present.
I will keep playing no AHO games as long as members are willing and let you know the results.
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Post by Buddah on Mar 30, 2009 10:15:55 GMT -5
I don't have any problem at all with the NOAHO, I would just hate to see the possibility of accusations comming from this.
Like I mentioned... when I got some of them before I had to question myself on the settings. Would hate to think that some might question others as well.
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Post by NoChinDeluxe on Mar 30, 2009 10:41:28 GMT -5
Buddah: That's probably my main reason for not changing settings like AHO. I remember during an NC match my opponent made a hole-in-one. What do I do at that moment? I don't want to go accusing members of cheating, but I also wanted to know how the heck someone got a hole-in-one with advanced swing on and AHO turned off. Then what happens if my opponent says, "Oh, you know what? I accidentally forgot to turn of AHO." Do we void his scores? You can see the complication that comes out of this.
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Post by BuckRgrs on Mar 30, 2009 10:49:52 GMT -5
Hi,
I know I've been a little preoccupied for some time now and unable to find the time needed to participate like I should and would like to. Just thought I'd chime in here about the AHO. Granted my skills as a golfer here put me on a novice level but I would also love to see the nc rules reinstated. I know the level of competition here is the best of the best and think most people here would enjoy the challenge of league play with the nc settings.
Have a nice day,
Buck
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Post by TwistovF8 on Mar 30, 2009 11:04:30 GMT -5
First of all, we have had plenty of reports of balls still going in the hole with AHO behavior, even though AHO is turned off in the settings. In other words, we're not sure that turning them off in your settings actually removes them completely from online play. Secondly, while we've considered this, we're also trying to keep the game settings as simple as possible, i.e. without having to change them around. I agree with Chin, Mine have always been off, but still puts em in now and then, 'Golf Fairy Help' as I call it, surprises the heck out of me sometimes when I am just tryin to land on the green, not even tryin to hole out. Besides, can you tell if someone has settings wrong when you play em? putt preview, advanced swing, etc.? I don't have any problem at all with the NOAHO, I would just hate to see the possibility of accusations comming from this. Like I mentioned... when I got some of them before I had to question myself on the settings. Would hate to think that some might question others as well. "Hole Outs" will happen. They happen on real golf courses. The wii video game has far less variables than real life, so we can expect more hole outs in TW09 than the real life Tiger Woods gets on real life courses. It makes sense that perfect shots in this video game can and will happen. Without the "Assist," hole outs should only happen only when someone hits the perfect shot, and at least be far less frequent. This is one simple setting, not the multitude of option changes that were required when setting up the NC ("no cheatures") matches in Season 2. Of course, we would have to emphasize and re-emphasize to new players that the DGA matches require setting the ASSISTED HOLEOUTS to OFF. This could be made clear in the registration process and written in bold type in the description of the course settings for every tournament. What do we have to lose by turning off AHO's? I can think of two additional reasons. 1) The hassle of remembering to turn them on when playing non-DGA members in "Play Anyone" EA matches. 2) Someone may cheat and not turn them off. I don't see either of these reasons to be enough for us to keep AHO on. There is no way to tell the other player's settings. But I believe that the major reason our league exists is that, unlike many competing in random EA online matches, all our members share the desire to compete in fair and honest matches. Of course everyone wants to win, but the people who compete here want a level playing field --regardless of the outcome win, lose or draw. Most, if not all, of our members do not compete here with the sole purpose of and focus on finishing at the top of the DGA final standings. It's the fair, honest, and friendly competition we want. No more, no less. Understanding, recognizing, and emphasizing this should keep the accusations from being a problem. And if some pathetic loser does cheat, I don't think that would invalidate the good times that everyone else will have. Whether using standard characters, profile golfers, irons only, etc., I would prefer all the matches in our next season to be AHO SETTING OFF. For those who prefer ahos on, there are the out-of-league EA online "play anyone" and/or lobby matches available 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
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